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Let's discuss WCM locations.  Any thoughts?

maybe some place up the 5 to run miller jeep trail.. in a way it's similar to the crown king trail in AZ. I've only run it once and it was a good time.

but if we're doing it in CA i'd like to go more north to try to get more of the nor cal wheelers in with us but i also don't want the drive to be much longer than the drive to J.V. for the AZ guys.

I was just flipping through the Nor. Cal backroads book (relax, I was looking at the southern part of it :] ) and i'm thinking that Area 8 would be cool which is near Fresno. this is where swamp lake and a few other lakes are.  I've been ITCHING to get up to that area. but the drive may be a little far for the AZ guys.

Area 9 which is near lake Isabella looks like it has lots of cool stuff as well.
For WCM i think my vote is for Lake Isabella.

i thought it was goin to be in colorado this year?
but being that we are goin to GONE this year not sure if we could afford the trip to colorado

I definitely want to get to Colorado for wheeling.  I have some concerns though for WCM.  It could be a huge draw since it's a more central location and it could cause problems with having trail leaders and general liability issues if the event gets too big.

I've heard great things about Lake Isabella.

Other closer options for the AZ people might be Vegas, Borrego, southern AZ, eastern AZ, Calico, Joshua Tree, Bradshaw trail, Mojave trail.

I'm not too stoked on Calico although I'd go if that's where it's held.  Joshua, Bradshaw and Mojave are more expedition type trails.  Not rock crawling.

Just a thought but what about the jawbone/calcity/ransburg area.  There are some interesting things up there.  Jawbone is the gateway to the southeastern sierras with trails that go all the way to lake Isabella.  Calcity/ransburg would get us into Last Chance Canyon and on up to burro Shmitt(sp) tunnel. It wouldn't be to hard to get to for the norcal guys, the could come down the 58 over the Tehachapi pass and end up pretty much hitting all of those areas.

Again just a thought.  Some will not like it do to the dirt bikes and stuff in that area.

The area that Dom is talking about is the same area that i was talking about that's listed as area 9 in the Nor Cal Book. Is the southern-isn part of kern county / Kennedy meadows area. I haven't been there since i was little but I'd really like to go there.

I guess creek needs to be talked to, to see if the CO WCM still holds true.

I realize that WCM isn't my event and it's not my call on what happens. I just hope for my opinion to be heard.

True.  I guess the other question is if Aaron wants to organize it this year or pass the torch to someone else.  Maybe Creek if it's going to be in CO.  I probably shouldn't have assumed.

you guys can put this up for discussion on the forums
i feel that whatever state we have it in , members of that state should have the responsibilty of trail runs , camping spots etc  :thumbup:

the other thing we should probably change is the name

Why the name change? 

well az ,nevavda or  colorado isnt really part of the west coast lol
if you guys like WCM  thats cool we dont have to change the name

talked to creek , the best time to have a meet there would be august
being so close to GONE i told him it would be better to have the WCM in colorado in 2011

I don't care either way.  Just curious.  They are western states though  ;D

west side meet haha

lol...
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So was creek ok with that?
if so, that brings us back to the original question of "where?"

i never heard back from him lol
maybe we can rotate back up to vegas , i know Natalie has never been up there

do we have someone that knows trails up there at all?

I don't think so.

i posted up on the new X about it , Dan (nismoMclovin) had a 2wd and just got a 4x4 X  he has been to 2 of the WCM

Is he in Vegas?

yeah he is in vegas

what kind of trail s are there in vegas?

There's a good list on dirtopia here http://www.dirtopia.com/wiki/Nevada  I haven't clicked on all of the links but most are pretty easy looking. 

This one looks more challenging.  Makes me nervous to do a trail with this description that none of us have done before but if that Chevy in the photo can do it I'm sure most of our moderately upgraded vehicles can make it.  http://www.dirtopia.com/wiki/Devil_Peak

Not worried about you Steven and Aaron.  :thumbup:

Dom knows of stuff out near Primm I think.  Dom you want to chime in?

that trail looks like fun , more than likely im gonna get some HDPE flat stock and make some skids for the 2nd gen and bring that out for the WCM
ride is alot nicer

lets get a list together and make a poll on the board. I'll send out a newsletter as well as a blog post including a link to the poll . That way we can do it in a place where the majority of the people can go and will want to go.

yeah it doesnt really matter to me , as long as its within 5-6 hours of a drive

There is a trail that leaves from within Red Rock Canyon National Conservation Area and heads west over the mountains into Pahrump.  Then you can drive north(maybe be dirt) and return by going over Walker Pass.

The Red Rock trail:  http://www.americansouthwest.net/maps/red-rock-canyon-map.gif  ITs the road that leave from the Willow Springs Picnic area.  Goes into Lost Creek Canyon and turn lefts into Red Rock Canyon.  I have done the first part of the trail but didn't leave the park.  Was to hot in August to go at it alone.

Video on Wheeler Pass:  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-115675295219226467#


When I did the Pass it was thanksgiving and cold.  We went up from the Pahrump side and when going down the vegas side we ran into a few wild horses.

so you guys still up for doin a meet this year?

yes,
I was thinking about that a few weeks ago.
I'll be up for planning after summer fest this weekend.

I wanted to go to swamp lake but it is a good drive and we didn't get to pre run it this last trip so .... i don't think it'll be a safe option right now.

I'll go back though this thread and put together a list of options that have already been mentioned

wheelers pass looks pretty decent , and vegas is kinda centered

where is wheelers pass?
and who's in vegas that would be willing to put this together?

Don't know, don't know.

any other thoughts on location?

Wheeler Pass run between Pahrump the 95 coming out just north of Vegas.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=Wheeler+Pass,+Las+Vegas,+Clark,+Nevada+89124&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=38.144864,79.013672&ie=UTF8&cd=2&geocode=FbVJKwIdLxUZ-Q&split=0&hq=&hnear=Wheeler+Pass,+Las+Vegas,+Clark,+Nevada+89124&ll=36.344997,-115.767059&spn=0.303633,0.617294&z=11

Looking at the Logandale Trail System north of Las Vegas.

http://www.logandaletrails.com/index.html

Some pictures I found in somebodies webshots.

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/562602761ObqBNj?vhost=good-times

Must be ok, these guys do an annual trip there. 

http://www.vv4w.org/humpnbump.asp

After doing some more research it looks like there is primitive camping in the area.  So this might just workout nicely.

Anybody else have any input?

Looks like a cool place dom.
 :thumbup:

so how come this isnt open discussion for everyone?

the place or who's hosting?
I though that it was assumed that i was going to do it this year and i asked Dom to do it.
I apologize if I'm wrong. is there other planning or something that's going on that i wasn't aware of?
It's really getting down to the wire and we need to get this going very very soon.

The place is still open of discussion as well.

as far as locations , i log off and i cant even see this topic Az-Ted said he cant view either

It needs to be open to everybody.  I have been here wondering why nobody is posting in either of the 2 threads that are going.  I was about to say screw it, didn't think anybody wanted to go.   Can this thread and the other one be opened up please.

well holy crap!.. i can fix that.

Prairie City near Sacramento... never been there but hear good things and would be centrally located and easy access via I-5, 99 and I-80....

I like the nor cal idea for sure.
I'd love to wheel up there.

haha that not central for Az guys thats a 12 hr drive

Dusy Ershim.  Wheeling and fishing.

from a vegas local , that wheels quite a bit
"Potato ridge/rocky gap is cool because it is a three (only because of a short section that is hard) with plenty of optional obstacles that make it a 4-5.
Tie rod canyon is a 4 give or take .5 depending on what flood water has done to it.
All the trails up here are legal to run without any type of permit so long as you are street legal. There is some discrepancy as to whether tie rod canyon is still legally open or not, but all the local clubs continue to run it.


Logandale has a bunch off cool trails/dunes ..... about an hour drive from vegas.

Apex is basically just dunes ..... it is a cool place to mess around. 30 min from vegas."

Just a thought - how about the West "Coast" Meet actually be in a state that has a "Coast" this year? :)

calico.

difficult trails, moderate trails, to 2wd friendly trails. lots of exploring to be had, lots of space, no permits. not too far west or south.

YAY, I can see this thread!!!! I like the idea of somewhere in Nevada, Dusty Ershim sounds cool, love to wheel and fish, he he. Where is Dusty Ershim

I'm good with vegas and i'm good with nor cal.

I don't think calico is a good place to have wcm... sorry RB... but thats just my one opinion.

I agree with Steve on the Calico location.  Been there and got bored since i couldn't really do many of the trails.  Spent half my time in the town walking around.

NorCal doesn't sound like to bad of an idea.  But, it is a really long drive for the AZ folk.  I understand that getting out into Nevada is kind of a pain for NorCal people, you guys have a big mountain range to cross without many roads to cross it by. 

I have also been thinking about Death Valley.  It is about the same for us SoCal people.  Around an hour or 2 more for the AZ guys, and an hour or 2 closer for the NorCal guys.  I would love to do Death Valley, but the only problem with that is the size of the park and the need to move our camp every night.  That, and there really isn't anything hardcore, according to my book, most if not all trails can be done with bone stock 4X4's or even some 2WD's.

Where ever we decide, I still need to go there before the event to check it out, get necissary permits, look for camping, and run a few trials.  I figure if I can do it in my truck and it is a challenge then we can all get through it.  Plus it would still be fun for the more hardcore trucks involved.  Which is why I was looking more towards the Logandale Trail System.


WE STILL NEED DATES.  NOBODY HAS SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THAT YET.

Exploring Death Valley would be great!  I don't care is it's hardcore or not.

 

Dusy Ershim sounds cool. I like the Lake Isabella idea too, but not sure what trails are out there. I know there's a ton of free campgrounds along the Kern River, first come first serve.

Hey what about the Alabama Hills Near Lone Pine? Its pretty central

http://www.off-road.com/trails-events/feature/offroad-exploring-in-the-alabama-hills-outside-of-lone-pine-california-52494.html

I'm good with the lone pine area idea

how about Kennedy meadows?!?

I haven't been there since i was.... hmm....eight?

I went up there a few years ago with my buddy, he had his dirt bike and I had no idea where to go and poked around and never found much......is there decent wheeling there??  It's a really nice area to camp in!

I haven't hit up Kennedy Meadows either, so not sure what is up there, I do no that you can get up there from the Jawbone area, but from what I have scene most of the roads are graded dirt.

Alabama Hills could be fun, and places like Cerro Gordo are pretty close.

Let me look into that area today and see what is looks like.

being that your the host you may want to stick with the trails you are familiar with

the first one in vegas was kinda messed up because i let someone else plan the trail run for a trail i didnt know

I agree with that but i'd say some pre-running will need to take place regardless

For sure, I am planning on trail running a couple weeks before the event.  Im still kinda leaning towards Logandale for this.  I am thinking that it would be better to be in the desert since it is later in the year.  Eastern Sierras sound like fun, but a little worried about the weather.

Unfortunately there's almost no chance I can go this year.  October is going to be very busy for me.

Count me in! This will be my first WCM. I wanted to take the family on a road trip this year, so anywhere would be good for me. I'll start researching some spots.

Sweet, once we get a location and date set I will start a new thread for people to list if they are going or not and how many people will be traveling with them and so on.

Bummer, how are you for November?  Might try to set it for Veterans Day Weekend.  Vets day is Nov, 11 on a thursday and might make it easier for people to go since it should be a 4 day weekend.

That would be better for me but I still won't know until we get closer to the date so don't plan around my availability

Anything besides October 23-25, thats borrego fest with oausa, but I like the idea of something with water nearby, ha ha, to cool off.

Whats the consensus on location? I have run the trails in the Lake Isabella/Kern area and they are pretty nice. There is not a whole lot of them, but enough to kill a weekend. There is a trail that runs from Bakersfield all the way to the lake isabella area which would be cool.

I'm pretty sure we will be out in Nevada at a place called the Logandale Trail System.  Its around a 6 or 7 hour drive for us and little bit longer for the AZ crew if they decide to come out.  I'm thinking that if this is later Oct. or early Nov. the mountains may be getting a little cold.

I am all for logandale area. sounds new and cool. Also i may be up for helping pre-run it.

....are you hitting that one?

Yup, awesome group of people, good trails, and great food.